A Talk To Teachers

The quote states about the school’s contradictory purpose of why it is built. The school is meant to be established to help educate children as it can help them in their future but the school sets its grounds on what the status quo of the society is. Instead of educating children for their own sake, they were being taught and shaped to be of use in the society, for the children to achieve the standard of what it considered a citizen. What Baldwin meant is that children were supposed to identify themselves when they knew more about them and what they aspire for but because of what the norms are in the society, they may become doubtful of what they want and believe is right or not, or if it will be useful to society or not. They are uncertain if what they aspire for has a contribution, especially if it is not considered normal or does not achieve the standard. Children might be in conflict whether to achieve what they want or not, but an educated one will stay strong to his beliefs and will be dedicated to fight for what he wants and prove his/her point that the society thinks of him/her wrongly. It connects with my school as the professors believed that those who have high grades are the only ones who can have a bright future ahead, while those who didn’t will certainly fail. They also judge student’s activities just like how more students prefer to play more sports than being engaged with paper works or projects. They didn’t identify and reflect the student’s skills as each has their own intelligence in different situations, and they only rely on factual information which is the grades.

 James Baldwin concentrated on racial discrimination and injustices where Black Americans are void of human rights when it comes to education. Blacks used to not be given proper education which causes confusion for the children. Because of the society’s standards, they were not able to properly explore their identities and only believed what the society imposed on them. Some people questioned their identity and even accused it, but they just accepted it. Some were lost as they feel neglected, but this issue also served as a motivation for them to fight. Blacks started to oppose and protest for their rights, because no one should be inferior, and all must be fair regardless of what race, ethnicity, or nationality a person has. 

Baldwin’s use of ethos in the second paragraph shows how respectable he and of his audience, and that he will prove his point according to his assumptions, but will change if someone can prove him wrong. He also clearly stated that he is not a teacher himself but believed that parents have the responsibility and obligation to educate their children. He clearly stated his principles by saying “Since I am talking to schoolteachers and I am not a teacher myself, and in some ways am fairly easily intimidated, I beg you to let me leave that and go back to what I think to be the entire purpose of education in the first place. It would seem to me that when a child is born, if I’m the child’s parent, it is my obligation and my high duty to civilize that child. Man is a social animal. He cannot exist without a society.” 

 He also used pathos, an appeal to emotion, to state how African American are deprived of the same freedom as the whites. “Now, if what I have tried to sketch has any validity, it becomes thoroughly clear, at least to me, that any Negro who is born in this country and undergoes the American educational system runs the risk of becoming schizophrenic. On the one hand he is born in the shadow of the stars and stripes and he is assured it represents a nation which has never lost a war. He pledges allegiance to that flag which guarantees “liberty and justice for all.” He is part of a country in which anyone can become president, and so forth. But on the other hand he is also assured by his country and his countrymen that he has never contributed anything to civilization—that his past is nothing more than a record of humiliations gladly endured.” 

I have  both positive and negative impacts. Some of my teachers have a negative impact on me, as they solely used grades as a basis for a child’s future. Each child has their own talents and field of expertise, which can’t be seen in school activities. Student’s were being degraded and are being demotivated because of their teacher’s thinking of them. The teachers only adhere to the society’s norms and rules and only accept those who they see have the ability. Some students change their courses or drop out because they feel lost and unsuitable for their position. 

In order for this situation to not happen again, teachers must not judge a student based on their grades. They should analyze their student’s skills and talents in different fields and encourage them instead of demotivating. If they see a student that is having difficulties, they should help them to figure out what to do. They should be a mentor whom the student’s can confide in. That being said, I also had some supportive, caring teachers in my high school, who took an effort to understand and learn about each and every student. 

 

Baldwin response

Baldwin explains what he means by being in a war with society when he says, ” What societies really, ideally, want is a citizenry which will simply obey the rules of society.” This is a paradox because although society educates you to have a conscience about right and wrong, they don’t want you to speak up against or for the right or wrong. Society prefers you to obey the rules they have set up; if you don’t obey you’ve entered a state of war. If you win, society can change, if you lose and give up, “society will perish.”

Many groups have been marginalized throughout history, and that has led to two things: the silent people who can only rage inside waiting to live, and the people that decide to enter the war with society and win. Both have their justified reasons, but unfortunately they did not choose to be put in such a situation. Why must the children of the children continue to live marginalized? Some groups of immigrants have had to flee their own countries only to survive, others were forcefully enslaved throughout history. Being given no opportunity to make a life for yourself should be considered enslavement, too. In page 3, Baldwin states, “What is upsetting the country is a sense of its own identity. If, for example, one managed to change the curriculum in all the schools so that Negroes learned more about themselves and their real contributions to this culture, you would be liberating not only Negroes, you’d be liberating white people who know nothing about their own history.” This use of pathos moves the reader to want change. James Baldwin refers to the world as a larger place in comparison to the short-sighted vision many people have about life. It is true that often children are not taught the vital lessons they will need in life, and then they realize as adults just how much of the world they don’t know, as they were never given a chance before to explore it. The world is large not only geographically, but in so many other aspects such as rich in culture, language, customs, food, occupations, etc. Baldwin would love children to be exposed to the large world, and not withheld in a building providing textbook information but no experience. Baldwin compares this phenomenon to American history: only a portion of history can be taught to someone in their life, and only a portion of it can be understood, never to its full extent. Likewise, the world will never be fully explored by one person in its many aspects, neither will a person comprehend all he needs to know about life. That is why it is important to teach people in their early years what they can learn about the world, they should not be restrained from that. Baldwin states that is a “necessity” to learn about this large world. How else will the children grow up and change the injustices in this world? Changes in teaching from the early beginnings can have an impact on the real world knowledge children can use once they grow up to face the “large world.” Baldwin uses ethos to reinforce this point in page 4, “There must have been a day in this country’s life when the bombing of the children in Sunday School would have created a public uproar and endangered the life of a Governor Wallace. It happened here and there was no public uproar.” A governor in danger, and the public did nothing, no one cared?! These are the rhetorical situations Baldwin used to persuade his reader to action.

The teachers that have had the most impact on me were my shop teachers in high school. They always had wise words and advice for us, they were down to earth, and treated us like their own children. They didn’t take irresponsibility from us, they prepared us for the real world. It’s quite funny to me, they were more professional than most situations I’ve had outside high school. They taught us, at a school where we were all minorities (where one of my shop teachers graduated from, too), in one of the worst neighborhoods, so that we could learn a skill and make a life for ourselves. They took it upon themselves to get to school before 7am, and we would practice our trade 1 hour before school even began. I am forever indebted to them.

A Talk To Teachers

I agree with the quote that Baldwin wrote in his article. When Baldwin wrote this quote i think he meant is that Education is important and it can help you in the future to help face the problems in our society. “One of the paradoxes of education was that precisely at the point when you begin to develop a conscience, you must find yourself at war with your society” When Baldwin wrote this he is trying to say that a perfect society is where everyone follows the rules and doesn’t fight back but once you start to think differently and speak up this is the moment where you’re at war with the society and that its our responsibility to change society as an educated person. Baldwin says we are at war against society because when we disagree with the society they don’t want to change and discriminate against them like Baldwin said. This connects/disconnects  with our own experiences in school because when i was in school i had good experiences with all my teachers except one she was an elderly substitute teacher and she had her own ideas that she wanted to be followed and once someone questions her she used to get angry with that student and calls upon the dean for no reason or threatens them. i feel that this is similar to what Baldwin is talking about my teacher represents the society and her ideal structure is when everyone obeys her but once someone has something to say about that they are at war with the society.

I think the experiences of other marginalized people or groups resonate with Baldwins sentiment because even they are also in a similar position. Being mistreated just because of their race or how they look. People are still being discriminated till this day and the discrimination for Asians increased exponentially starting 2020 because of the covid cases Many elderly asians teens and adults have been discriminated against or worse for example there have been many cases of violence against asians where they have been wounded one example is A case in 2020 where a group of high school students assaulted an elderly asian women as they left the bus the victim was hurt badly bleeding everywhere she was transported to the nearest hospital. The women received stitches for a cut on her head thankfully it wasn’t something critical the worst part about this incident was that the 4 people who attacked her was just 15 year old students in high school.

Baldwin uses many different rhetorical situations through ethos, pathos, and logos. One example of pathos is “A black child, on the other hand, seeing the world around him and not knowing what to make of it, realizes that there is a reason why his mother works so hard and why his father is always on edge. He is conscious that whenever he sits in the front of the bus, his father or mother slaps him and drags him to the back of the bus for whatever reason. He is well aware that he is bearing a huge responsibility”(page 2 paragraph 4). Another example is “To justify the treatment of men as if they were animals, the white republic had to brainwash itself into believing that they were, in fact, animals who deserved to be treated as such. As a result, it is nearly impossible for any Negro child to learn anything about his own history. (page 3 paragraph 8)

All my teachers in high school have helped me be a better version of myself. All my teachers from freshman year to senior year has helped me whenever i needed help and helped guide me through their class. My teachers have taught me valuable lessons to help me in the future and they always encouraged me to do my best no matter what the grade or the situation i was in.

Week 8

Baldwin quote “One of the paradoxes of education was that precisely at the point when you begin to develop a conscience, you must find yourself at war with your society. It is your responsibility to change society if you think of yourself as an educated person.” (Baldwin 1) Baldwin meant that when you are being educated you realize things on your own and see things differently so when you look at society and its system you can go against things society practices or its ways. I think the last sentence of the quote was really significant because Baldwin is giving a message to the teachers saying it is the teacher’s responsibility to help change society. While I was reading this quote, in the back of my mind I was thinking how he had the tone of inspiring teachers and readers to make the change of our education system, to stop the false teaching to students. When he said, “It is your responsibility….” It is clear that he is talking to us to take action to re-evaluate what is the real purpose of education. This connects with my experience in school because I always questioned the education system and questioned the teachings. I thought that school’s purpose was to help us brighten our future with opportunities but according to Baldwin, the purpose of education is to find one true self and be able to make his/her own decisions without having others make our decision for us. Baldwin writes very specifically about the experience of Black Americans. I think the experience of other marginalized people or groups such as Asians, Hispanics, and others resonate with Baldwin’s sentiment is probably through the education system itself. For example, the achievement gap in education shows only how unfair the education system is towards the students of color by their test scores but doesn’t take the factors that led students into giving low test scores. Those factors could be less school funding, low income, lack of student motivation, and more.

Baldwin appeals to many different rhetorical situations through ethos, logos, and pathos. One example of pathos, “On the one hand he is born in the shadow of the stars and stripes and he is assured it represents a nation which has never lost a war.” (paragraph3, pg1 ) This quote uses pathos because in this sentence it draws out feelings of patriotism and giving false assurance of giving equality to the Black Americans even though they were born in America, the land of freedom and justice for all. The second example would be when Baldwin start’s off by saying, “Let’s begin by saying that we are living through a very dangerous time.”(paragraph, pg1) Immediately Baldwin is using ethos because he is saying “we” and that includes himself, he wants to trust him with a fact that probably many people would agree on and trust him with the information he will be telling his readers.

As Baldwin articulated, teachers can have an incredibly powerful impact on students, my algebra teacher in high school is very impactful to me because I was always bad at math and didn’t want to learn because It looked too hard. But her positive energy, patience, and how she taught us made me really motivated to learn algebra and I passed my exams with flying colors, I really enjoyed her algebra class. After I graduated, I stayed in contact with her because she was just an amazing teacher and a great person. I talked to her about my experience in college and when I am struggling with math in general or need advice she would take time out of her day to help me, I really appreciate that.

 

 

Week 8

I agree with Baldwin in that when you begin forming opinions on what you believe is morally correct you begin to become aware of the injustices that are all around. In elementary school, attending private catholic school it was easy to see who the poorer children were but when going to public high school I became fully aware of how different other peoples living situations could be. This helped broaden my perspective on life. I believe that in order to understand the world better you must be aware of the world around you.

While Baldwin writes specifically about the experience of Black Americans I do not believe that the experiences of other marginalized groups are much different. Baldwin writes about how at a young age children of other marginalized groups notice that there is a difference in the way that they live. When the neighborhood that these children are from are impoverished they become exposed to more like prostitution or drug dealing. While they do not understand what is going on exactly and they aren’t sure why they are aware that something is occurring. Impoverished and marginalized groups live above the law but they also feel uncomfortable calling the police, even today for fear for their lives.

In the text there are many examples of Baldwin’s use of different rhetorical situations. The first example is when Baldwin uses Pathos, or an appeal to the emotions to express his rhetorical situation. He explains how well meaning individuals can actually come off as patronizing and lead to more silence on the part of all African Americans. They are not allowed to truly express who they are, for fear of not fitting into the  “It means that well-meaning white liberals place themselves in great danger when they try to deal with Negroes as though they were missionaries. It means, in brief, that a great price is demanded to liberate all those silent people so that they can breathe for the first time and tell you what they think of you. And a price is demanded to liberate all those white children – some of them near forty – who have never grown up, and who never will grow up, because they have no sense of their identity.”(Pg 4 Paragraph 1)
In the second example from “A Talk To Teachers”, Baldwin again uses pathos and logos to express how despite not knowing exactly why there is a weight on the people around the child’s shoulders. There is a different atmosphere at school, which makes it more obvious to the child who is struggling that others have a very different home life.  “But a black child, looking at the world around him, though he cannot know quite what to make of it, is aware that there is a reason why his mother works so hard, why his father is always on edge. He is aware that there is some reason why, if he sits down in the front of the bus, his father or mother slaps him and drags him to the back of the bus. He is aware that there is some terrible weight on his parents’ shoulders which menaces him. And it isn’t long – in fact it begins when he is in school – before he discovers the shape of his oppression.” (Page 2, Paragraph 1)

I agree with Baldwin that teachers have a powerful impact on their students. They have the ability to shape kinds into eager learners and inspire them to enjoy school. They also have the ability to leave a lasting negative impact on the children they teach. There have been many teachers in my schooling that have left a positive impact on me, they helped me want to learn and grow. I believe that it is incredibly important to have a positive impact on students as an educator. 

 

 

Week 8: Education Discourse (Shah Ahmed)

One of the paradoxes of education was that precisely at the point when you begin to develop a conscience, you must find yourself at war with your society. It is your responsibility to change society if you think of yourself as an educated person.” (Baldwin 1) This quote reminds me of how society has normalized their knowledge pool to be correct for what information seems valid to the individual instead of seeking the truth at the source of the information. People are very self centered and we as educated people should continue showing our better role and help those who are willing to learn. Baldwin meant students with education learn more of the truth of the world and question society. This quote strongly connected with my experience in school. While I was learning in school I learned trust of society with it and more on my own. I was in disbelief at first but this is how our instinctive nature is most of the things we do. I myself have to be the better person for myself and my future. 

Baldwin’s sentiment resonates with minorities of the modern world. Children from  minority families are raised in places where they don’t have lots of resources available as well as go through family struggles and the struggles of seeing the world they can’t live because it’s not for them. 

Baldwin has used ethos, logos and pathos to appeal different rhetorical situations to appeal his perspectives and reasonings to the readers. For example, “But if I was a “nigger” in your eyes, there was something about you – there was something you needed.”(Baldwin 3) In this statement Baldwin has used logos and ethos  to differentiate the perspectives of what society says what Baldwin is considered  to be when in reality it’s the individuals who chose to see it that way and accept the society.  Thus Baldwin questions ethics and appeals to the logic of the individuals.  Another example is, “But the point here is that people who ask that question, thinking that they ask it in good faith, are really the victims of this conspiracy to make Negroes believe they are less than human.”(Baldwin 3) In this statement Baldwin continues to use ethos but also uses pathos.  The statement reflects the ethics of society and uses Strong’s word “victim of this conspiracy” which makes the readers feel sorrow for the African Americans and how they are considered less than human in the society. This gives emotional empowerment to want change for equal opportunists. 

I had this Spanish teacher for my 8th grade language class for regents. She didn’t teach us anything besides the general histories of how the Spanish language came to be. Most students weren’t admitted to the regents exam(only the Spanish  speakers were ). But the main point of all her classes was that we should explore NYC and have fun. We are in one of the most diverse cities but we ourselves don’t explore and know places. For most projects we were told to go to places free for students and report our experience. Her main objective was for us to enjoy our lives while doing what we need to. As I look back I understand more of what she meant. We need to have a life for ourselves as well as a separate work life. Our life shouldn’t all be about just work. 

A Talk to Teachers

 

According to author the teacher plays tremendous role in child’s development and I totally agree with this statement. Childhood is important part for the healthy future. In many times children unfortunately have chaos in the family and neighborhood. the school is the place where they can have quality few hours. I am not judging their care-givers, it can be various reason what can cause parent to be oblivious. Therefore, the system should be responsible to help families like that at least provide schools where children can see and hear that they can have education and become professionals and don’t have to be criminals. I had interactions with various teachers, some of them had positive and also negative impact on my education. as a student you always obey your teacher, I was raised in society where teacher is always right. I recall my biology teacher from the first day when she entered the class, she was rude and was bulling the children. I started having aversion to her subject and never wanted ever look at her book and biology. She was horrible teacher.

James Baldwin made correct decisions when he was very young, I assume he had excellent teacher or someone who told him that there is better life and you are responsible for your fortunate future. I can relate myself in some degree with him, because my life was turned upside down when I was 10 years old. I always think it had huge influence on my education in negative way. Psychological satisfaction is crucial for child. Fortunately, two years later life started to go back to normal and I was able to come over obstacles.  I loved my teachers. My parents could not afford to buy book from me. school was not providing books for children and you were responsible to purchase your own book.  I had teachers how helped me with math for free because I was two years behind in the program. My family always wanted my brother and I to have high education and of course I am convinced that it was my inner voice whispering to me that education can give you a better life. I truly believe, every child deserves to have a teacher   who can make them feel that they worth something and there is always path to the successes.

The author is using various rhetorical one of them sounds positive he is using ethos in the last paragraph when the author shares his ideas what would he do if he was a teacher. Baldwin would encourage the child with following sentences “I would try to make each child know that these things are conspiracy and he must never make his peace with it.”